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TaliesinSoft
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 Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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Yes, I've harped on this before....
To me something exceedingly annoying is that when I opt to go to a website page Safari (or any other browser with which I am familiar) starts displaying the various items of the page as they become available, the result being that the page appears piece-by-piece, an effect I've dubbed "splip-splop-splap".
Would it be so hard for the browser to give me an option to not display the page until the download is complete so that it would appear all at the same time? After all, in Safari (and again I assume any other browser) I have a progress indicator showing me that the download is in progress.
Even nicer would be having the option of having a fade-out/fade-in transition.
I've sent my grumplet as a feature request to Apple. If others feel as I do I would appreciate their letting Apple know. |
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jack ak
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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TaliesinSoft wrote:
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Yes, I've harped on this before....
To me something exceedingly annoying is that when I opt to go to a website page Safari (or any other browser with which I am familiar) starts displaying the various items of the page as they become available, the result being that the page appears piece-by-piece, an effect I've dubbed "splip-splop-splap".
Would it be so hard for the browser to give me an option to not display the page until the download is complete so that it would appear all at the same time? After all, in Safari (and again I assume any other browser) I have a progress indicator showing me that the download is in progress.
Even nicer would be having the option of having a fade-out/fade-in transition.
I've sent my grumplet as a feature request to Apple. If others feel as I do I would appreciate their letting Apple know. |
The only problem is the browser can't know when all page elements are downloaded. Page elements may have no knowledge of the other pieces on the page. Adopting your idea could lead to a blank screen. |
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Calum
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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TaliesinSoft wrote:
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Would it be so hard for the browser to give me an option to not display the page until the download is complete so that it would appear all at the same time?
Yes.
I've sent my grumplet as a feature request to Apple. If others feel as I do I would appreciate their letting Apple know. |
Not really. If the button I need to click is the first thing to download, I don't want to have to wait another 10 seconds before I'm even allowed to see it. |
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Richard Maine
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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Calum <com.gmail@scottishwildcat.nospam> wrote:
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TaliesinSoft wrote:
> Would it be so hard for the browser to give me an option to not display the > page until the download is complete so that it would appear all at the same > time?
Yes.
> I've sent my grumplet as a feature request to Apple. If others feel as I > do I would appreciate their letting Apple know.
Not really. If the button I need to click is the first thing to download, I don't want to have to wait another 10 seconds before I'm even allowed to see it. |
Ten secods? Heck, sometimes forever. I *VERY* often am reading some of the material on a page while the rest downloads. For example, there are lots of "pages" that are hundres or even thousands of lines long of material to scroll through. It isn't particularly rare for me to abort a download before the complete page is even finished. Sometimes it is hung up on one part for some reason, and sometimes that part is something I don't care about anyway; or maybe I do care, but decided to give up on it. Other times, I've just read enough.
I would find a "feature" of not displaying a page until it was finished to be *VERY* annoying, enough so that it alone would probably be grounds for refusing to use a browser. I seriously doubt I would be alone.
Admitedly, you asked for it to be an option, which would take it out of the category of reasons to veto a browser, since I could choose to not use that feature. But it would be so annoying that if it defaulted to "on", I' could imagine abandoning the browser before I managed to figure out that there was an option to disable the feature. And I still suspect it would be an unpopular and rarely used option. |
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TaliesinSoft
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:49 -0500, Calum wrote (in article <g8s5gv$mum$1@reader01.news.esat.net>):
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| Not really. If the button I need to click is the first thing to download, I don't want to have to wait another 10 seconds before I'm even allowed to see it. |
Note that what I asked for was an optional feature, not required behavior, a feature that can be selectively enabled or disabled at the user's choice. As an aside, rarely do I have to wait more than about two seconds for a page to complete, but even then the piece-by-piece appearance of the elements of the page I find quite distracting. Perhaps I'm just one who places great importance upon visual presentation. |
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Jolly Roger
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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In article <0001HW.C4D708C900008A74B01AD9AF@News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@mac.coom> wrote:
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:49 -0500, Calum wrote (in article <g8s5gv$mum$1@reader01.news.esat.net>):
> Not really. If the button I need to click is the first thing to > download, I don't want to have to wait another 10 seconds before I'm > even allowed to see it.
Note that what I asked for was an optional feature, not required behavior, a feature that can be selectively enabled or disabled at the user's choice. As an aside, rarely do I have to wait more than about two seconds for a page to complete, but even then the piece-by-piece appearance of the elements of the page I find quite distracting. Perhaps I'm just one who places great importance upon visual presentation. |
I doubt Apple gives that much control over Safari.
Firefox, on the other hand, allows you to configure a bunch of options that effect how pages load. Here are some of the (I'm sure there are others as well):
<http://forevergeek.com/open_source/make_firefox_faster.php> |
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Jolly Roger
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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In article <1im6amk.hzg1hayum1iwN%nospam@see.signature>, nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote:
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Calum <com.gmail@scottishwildcat.nospam> wrote:
> TaliesinSoft wrote:
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> > Would it be so hard for the browser to give me an option to not display > > the
> > page until the download is complete so that it would appear all at the > > same
> > time?
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> Yes.
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> > I've sent my grumplet as a feature request to Apple. If others feel as I > > do I would appreciate their letting Apple know. >
> Not really. If the button I need to click is the first thing to download, > I don't want to have to wait another 10 seconds before I'm even allowed to > see it.
Ten secods? Heck, sometimes forever. I *VERY* often am reading some of the material on a page while the rest downloads. For example, there are lots of "pages" that are hundres or even thousands of lines long of material to scroll through. It isn't particularly rare for me to abort a download before the complete page is even finished. Sometimes it is hung up on one part for some reason, and sometimes that part is something I don't care about anyway; or maybe I do care, but decided to give up on it. Other times, I've just read enough. |
Often it's ads that take the longest to load.
You'll find if you use a browser like Firefox, that supports robust ad blocking that prevents ads from loading (as opposed to loading them and then filtering them out), like AdBlock Plus, pages will load much faster. |
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Kevin Michael Vail
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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In article <jollyroger-60829B.13210124082008@news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
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In article <1im6amk.hzg1hayum1iwN%nospam@see.signature>, nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote:
> Ten secods? Heck, sometimes forever. I *VERY* often am reading some of > the material on a page while the rest downloads. For example, there are > lots of "pages" that are hundres or even thousands of lines long of > material to scroll through. It isn't particularly rare for me to abort a > download before the complete page is even finished. Sometimes it is hung > up on one part for some reason, and sometimes that part is something I > don't care about anyway; or maybe I do care, but decided to give up on > it. Other times, I've just read enough.
Often it's ads that take the longest to load. |
It's been my experience that usually the ads show up first.  |
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Richard Maine
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
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Often it's ads that take the longest to load.
You'll find if you use a browser like Firefox, that supports robust ad blocking that prevents ads from loading (as opposed to loading them and then filtering them out), like AdBlock Plus, pages will load much faster. |
I do use FireFox, and AdBlock Plus is about 90% of the reason. That does help with a lot. |
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Neill McKay
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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In article <0001HW.C4D6DFE3003E5728B01AD9AF@News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@mac.coom> wrote:
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| Would it be so hard for the browser to give me an option to not display the page until the download is complete so that it would appear all at the same time? After all, in Safari (and again I assume any other browser) I have a progress indicator showing me that the download is in progress. |
The problem seems to be caused by images. Would it be feasible for the browser to leave a space of the correct size for each image so at least the text is there, rather than having it jump around as you're trying to read it? |
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jack ak
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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TaliesinSoft wrote:
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:49 -0500, Calum wrote (in article <g8s5gv$mum$1@reader01.news.esat.net>):
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| Not really. If the button I need to click is the first thing to download, I don't want to have to wait another 10 seconds before I'm even allowed to see it. |
Note that what I asked for was an optional feature, not required behavior, a feature that can be selectively enabled or disabled at the user's choice. As an aside, rarely do I have to wait more than about two seconds for a page to complete, but even then the piece-by-piece appearance of the elements of the page I find quite distracting. Perhaps I'm just one who places great importance upon visual presentation. |
How long does it take to display the following page?
http://www.aol.com/main.adp
It displays quickly for me... one blink and it is done.
In Safari, Show status bar in View menu, then Reload Page a couple of times.
Note the Olympic Gold medal at upper left is timed. I doubt you would like to wait until that item is done.
Pictures on the page are updated without refreshing the whole page.
You might need a faster Internet connection or computer. |
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Jolly Roger
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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In article <kevin-2ECDC6.15174324082008@news.verizon.net>, Kevin Michael Vail <kevin@vaildc.net> wrote:
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In article <jollyroger-60829B.13210124082008@news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <1im6amk.hzg1hayum1iwN%nospam@see.signature>, > nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote: >
> > Ten secods? Heck, sometimes forever. I *VERY* often am reading some of > > the material on a page while the rest downloads. For example, there are > > lots of "pages" that are hundres or even thousands of lines long of > > material to scroll through. It isn't particularly rare for me to abort a > > download before the complete page is even finished. Sometimes it is hung > > up on one part for some reason, and sometimes that part is something I > > don't care about anyway; or maybe I do care, but decided to give up on > > it. Other times, I've just read enough.
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> Often it's ads that take the longest to load.
It's been my experience that usually the ads show up first. |
You may be *seeing* some ads display first; but the fact remains: often some ad servers are hideously slow. As a result, some of the slowest connections on most web pages with ads are connections with ad servers. |
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Jolly Roger
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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In article <kevin-2ECDC6.15174324082008@news.verizon.net>, Kevin Michael Vail <kevin@vaildc.net> wrote:
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In article <jollyroger-60829B.13210124082008@news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <1im6amk.hzg1hayum1iwN%nospam@see.signature>, > nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote: >
> > Ten secods? Heck, sometimes forever. I *VERY* often am reading some of > > the material on a page while the rest downloads. For example, there are > > lots of "pages" that are hundres or even thousands of lines long of > > material to scroll through. It isn't particularly rare for me to abort a > > download before the complete page is even finished. Sometimes it is hung > > up on one part for some reason, and sometimes that part is something I > > don't care about anyway; or maybe I do care, but decided to give up on > > it. Other times, I've just read enough.
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> Often it's ads that take the longest to load.
It's been my experience that usually the ads show up first. |
If you dislike seeing or loading ads, use a web browser that prevents them from even being downloaded in the first place (Firefox + AdBlock Plus is an excellent solution in this case). |
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Jerry Kindall
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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In article <neill.mckay-1FC689.16411624082008@news.aliant.net>, Neill McKay <neill.mckay@not.my.address> wrote:
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In article <0001HW.C4D6DFE3003E5728B01AD9AF@News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@mac.coom> wrote:
> Would it be so hard for the browser to give me an option to not display the > page until the download is complete so that it would appear all at the same > time? After all, in Safari (and again I assume any other browser) I have a > progress indicator showing me that the download is in progress.
The problem seems to be caused by images. Would it be feasible for the browser to leave a space of the correct size for each image so at least the text is there, rather than having it jump around as you're trying to read it? |
Sure. Browsers already do this if the <img> tag has height and width attributes. The page author merely has to include the correct size of the image. This is why best practices are to always include the correct size of the image in the <img> tag -- if you don't, the text on the page will jump around as the browser loads each image. This has been standard browser behavior for some time and many pages include accurate height and width attributes for this reason. Of course, in some cases it is not possible to know in advance the size of the image you will be loading. |
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william mitchell
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Splip-Splop-Splap == Browser Presentation |
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Neill McKay <neill.mckay@not.my.address> writes:
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In article <0001HW.C4D6DFE3003E5728B01AD9AF@News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@mac.coom> wrote:
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| Would it be so hard for the browser to give me an option to not display the page until the download is complete so that it would appear all at the same time? After all, in Safari (and again I assume any other browser) I have a progress indicator showing me that the download is in progress. |
The problem seems to be caused by images. Would it be feasible for the browser to leave a space of the correct size for each image so at least the text is there, rather than having it jump around as you're trying to read it? |
Sure it could --- in fact it probably does. ... Provided the source of the page being displayed specifies the size of the picture. |
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